Wednesday, March 28, 2018

Avengers Infinity War Speculation


With Avengers Infinity War just around the corner I thought it would be fun to speculate on what we might see in the film. There are no spoilers for AIW below--everything discussed is via the two trailers (one and two) and other promotional material/public comments (including the prelude comic). There are, however, spoilers for all previous MCU movies.

Background


Most fans are aware of the comic inspirations for this story, which was first hinted at in The Avengers (2012). The comic inspiration begins with Thanos Quest (1990), whose story continues through The Infinity Crusade (1993); perhaps more important are the recent Thanos Rising and Infinity (2013) stories. The film isn't intended as a direct adaptation (Captain America: Civil War (2016) is a good template to keep in mind as that adaptation was also by the Russo's), but many elements are borrowed, particularly from the latter series. I won't go through the plots of each comic series (for those interested you can start here) or their many known connections to the films, as such explorations are plentiful online and I'm less interested in that then in speculating about the movie itself. I will point out that Thanos' children (other than Gamora and Nebula) are creations of the 2013 comic--known as the Black Order, they consist of Proxima Midnight, Cull Obsidian, Corvus Glaive, and Ebony Maw, and seem to feature prominently in the film.


The MCU-version of Thanos, like his comicbook counterpart, is seeking the six infinity stones to power the infinity gauntlet. His motivations for doing so are, however, very different. In the comics Thanos is in love with the manifestation of Death, so he seeks power and death to impress her. In the MCU he wants to bring balance to the universe (requiring the death of half the life in it--we don't know why he thinks this is necessary, although the second trailer suggests it has been his goal for quite some time)--this puts an end to theories that Hela would be a stand-in for Death. I don't think the movie-specifics of this idea were settled until recently--Kevin Feige clearly intended the MCU to culminate in a struggle against Thanos prior to his first appearance (2012), but given how much the comics written afterwards seem to have impacted things, screenwriters Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely had fairly free reign when they wrote the screenplay (which was composed no later than 2016). I definitely think a more nuanced, sympathetic Thanos will appear on screen.

The only active role Thanos has had in the MCU prior to these films was in Guardians of the Galaxy (2014), but his role there was virtually identical to the one he provided in the background of The Avengers--motivating a subordinate antagonist (Ronan and Loki) to gather an infinity stone for him. In the post-credit scene of Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015) he declares that he'll gather the stones himself and that's the true beginning of these films.


The stones themselves have featured much more prominently than their seeker in the MCU:
-The Tesseract (space stone) is an important part of Captain America (2011), having been introduced in the post-credit scene of Thor (2011), and subsequently of importance in The Avengers before being stored on Asgard (Loki steals it in Thor: Ragnarok (2017), a supposition confirmed by the first trailer)
-The Mind Stone is given to Loki by Thanos in The Avengers, which is subsequently used by Hydra to create Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver in the post-credit scene of Captain America: Winter Soldier (2014); it gets retrieved and becomes part of Ultron's creation of Vision in Avengers: Age of Ultron--Vision later appears in Captain America: Civil War (2016) and the stone continues to be a part of him
-The Aether (reality stone) is at the core of the plot of Thor: The Dark World (2013), which when recovered is given to the Collector who, despite the explosion of his collection in Guardians of the Galaxy, presumably still has it
-The Orb (power stone) is the core plot element of Guardians of the Galaxy which, when resolved, is stored on Xandar
-The Eye of Agamotto (time stone) has been held by earth's sorcerers for millennia, appearing in Doctor Strange (2016) and remaining with them
-The Soul Stone's location is completely unknown and, other than its image being shown by the Collector to the Guardians, virtually nothing is known about its location

What's interesting is that in the seven films since Age of Ultron the stones have only been an important plot element in one, Doctor Strange. I'm not sure what to make of that decision (since they were vital in five of seven previously), but their primary story will be wrapped up by the next two installments of the Avengers.


The gauntlet itself has been on its own brief, somewhat bizarre journey within the MCU, showing up as an easter egg in the first Thor (2011)--its appearance retained as another easter egg for Thor: Ragnarok where it was confirmed as a fake. In Age of Ultron we see that Thanos already has the real gauntlet, but we won't see it in action until Infinity War.

Speculation

With the background out of the way let's try to explore the story as presented in the trailers. We need to keep in mind that the film is intended to have a definitive ending, such that even though the fourth Avengers film is a sequel it's not meant to end on an unresolved cliffhanger.

Where We Begin

Many of the Avengers are on the run after the signing of the Sokovia Accords (Civil War)--Captain America, Black Widow, and Falcon are together and operating clandestinely as a team; Vision and Scarlett Witch are together apparently just as a couple (retired, perhaps); Hawkeye is retired and probably back with his family; Ant-Man is on his own (likely under a form of house arrest so that he can still see his daughter); Iron Man, War Machine, Spider-Man, and Doctor Strange are in New York; Bucky remains in Wakanda with Black Panther; the Guardians are together (including additions Mantis and Nebula); Thor and Hulk are on the Asgardian lifeboat which, at the end of Ragnarok, is confronted by Thanos' ship. Newcomers the Wasp and Captain Marvel won't appear until their own films (although post-credit appearances remain possible).

First Act

-Introduction to Thanos (the Russo's describe it as primarily his movie)--flashback to his origin and the death of his people, which serves as his call to action that informs his arc throughout this and the next film--likely followed by his successful attack on Xandar where he seizes the Orb (power stone)--the way the trailers are cut he acquires this stone first--it's unclear if the few Xandarians we were introduced in Guardians of the Galaxy will survive (Nova Prime and Dey), but I'd expect at least Glenn Close's character to be killed if she appears at all. It's possible this content occurs after the Asgardian lifeboat scene below.

-Thanos attacks the Asgardian lifeboat, defeating those on board; Loki uses the Tesseract (space stone) and his wit to save some of them (I don't believe Asgardian genocide will be on the table for this story as they are too integral to the future of the Thor franchise)--Thor and Hulk are sent away via the space stone (perhaps by Loki himself); I expect that the characters introduced in Ragnarok survive (Valkyrie, Korg, etc), but Heimdall might be killed (much as I'd rather keep Idris Elba); I've seen speculation that Loki will also die, but unless Tom Hiddleston is tired of playing the character I think that's very unlikely--he's an extremely popular character with plenty of untapped potential

-The Guardians crash into Thor in space; Gamora talks about Thanos with a flashback to when she was taken (the info dump augmented by Nebula and includes info about their other siblings, the Black Order); ThorRocket, and Groot head off to the dwarves (some think this will include Peter Dinklage's character, but it's just as likely he's providing the voice for one of the Black Order--this despite his notable failure as a voice actor in Destiny) and create his new weapon (presumed to be Stormbreaker--in the comics the weapon used by Beta Ray Bill)--the rest of the Guardians go to Knowhere (see below)

-Cull Obsidian and Ebony Maw arrive in New York to take the Eye of Agamotto (time stone) away from Doctor Strange--Wong is probably involved in this fight, but I suspect the villains are successful in taking it (which is why the ship Spider-Man see's is departing Earth and Iron Man has to race after him)--I'm assuming that they lose the time stone here because I think the fight in Wakanda is over the final infinity stone (either literally the last or the last other than the soul stone, but I expect the former), and because it gives the Black Order a "win" over the heroes, but this could happen later

-The Hulk crashes into the Sanctum in New York (Doctor Strange and Wong are there), which results in Iron Man showing up; Banner explains what Thanos is about--this could happen prior to the loss of the Eye of Agamotto, although I think the result will be the same

-Scarlett Witch and Vision are attacked by Corvus Glaive and Proxima Midnight in an attempt to take the mind stone--Captain America, Black Widow, and Falcon arrive and help defeat them, but Vision is badly wounded in the process--as a result, they will head to New York to meet with the other Avengers (likely after a call from Tony--see below); it's possible Tony's call is what has them arriving to save their friends

-Spider-Man see's one of Thanos' ships floating overhead and hurries to investigate--this occurs while Doctor Strange, Wong, Bruce Banner, and Iron Man are talking and Tony hurries out as the ship with Spider-Man begins accelerating into space--Iron Man brings him the iron spider suit so that Peter can survive in space

-The Guardians (minus Rocket and Groot) go to Knowhere to find the Collector and the Aether (reality stone); Thanos beats them there via the space stone, seizing the reality stone either before the Guardians or forcing them to flee (I fully expect the Collector to survive); when they fail they head to earth where two of the remaining infinity stones are

Act Two

-Tony has called Cap (this might occur before the above action with Peter Parker) and most of the Avengers assemble at their HQ (absent Bucky, Thor, Ant-Man, possibly Hawkeye, and unofficial Avenger Black Panther); I believe the Guardians (minus the aforementioned) meet them here because this is where the decision to split the team occurs--Captain America, War Machine, Black Widow, Falcon, Scalett Witch, Vision, and Bruce Banner in the Hulkbuster go to Wakanda, while Iron Man, Doctor Strange, and Spider-Man join the remaining Guardians (Star-Lord, Gamora, Nebula, Mantis, and Drax) in space heading to Titan--Wong presumably remains behind to defend the Sanctum. I believe the journey to Titan is to save the soul stone (there's no other reason to go there with the information we have)

-Hawkeye is sent on a mission of his own and a theory I like is that he's seeking out his old S.H.I.E.L.D. buddy Carol Danvers (a theory I first heard here)--this might be where we see Ant-Man--presumably he'll join the team for the Wakanda fight at the end; alternatively Clint is specifically looking for Scott Lang; I believe Hawkeye's family (or at least his wife) could be a casualty, although in what context I'm not sure yet (there's no obvious reason for the Black Order to seek them out)--my speculation is purely based on how poorly they were received and how they function better as character motivation for Clint to return to being a hero (he's really had no arc in the MCU yet)

-Thor and crew successfully create Stormbreaker; the Russo's have said he has a lot of screen time so there may be more going on with this plot than is readily apparent

-Shuri attempts to heal Vision--it's not clear if she's trying to separate the mind stone from his body (I've seen conflicting speculation, but given that I don't think he's likely to die, I expect she's trying to extract it and will succeed--this would present interesting character development for what is a pretty one-note hero)

-The space team confront Thanos on what's assumed to be his home planet of Titan--my guess (as mentioned above) is that they are fighting over the soul stone and it appears as though they fail (why the stone is there I'm not sure, but there isn't any other obvious reason for them to be fighting him there); it's possible Thor arrives dramatically to prevent them from dying at the end of this battle (see below)

Act Three

-The Battle of Wakanda: my guess is the team will fail until the cavalry arrives (the heroes who were in space) to avoid total annihilation, but it remains to be seen how Thanos can both get the sixth stone and the heroes still get a win; it's likely that they fail and the fourth movie is about preventing Thanos from following through on his plan (this would give dramatic license for Captain Marvel's arrival to help); I wasn't sure Ant-Man and the Wasp would have any connection AIW, but I've heard recently that it will impact the fourth movie

I don't think any of the infinity stones will be held in reserve for the fourth movie, such that in the next installment it will be about defeating Thanos with the infinity gauntlet. With that said I don't don't think the movie will end on a downer and the heroes will have achieved some sort of victory (even if it's a Pyrrhic one). I suspect the Russo's are aiming for an Empire Strikes Back feel where there's a sense of hope after failure (I'd guess that Thanos gets the stones, but his children and army are defeated).

An interesting theory is going around (eg here and here) that the movie will end with all the core Avengers (or at least some of them) dying with Thanos winning--Doctor Strange then sends heroes back in time to save them. There are reasons for suspecting time travel isn't an element in the fourth film, but it's really hard to judge the theories until we see how Infinity War unfolds.

As for deaths, I don't think we'll see more than one major character die in this movie (and even then it might not be permanent). Secondary and tertiary characters will fall however (much as they did in Thor: Ragnarok)--as mentioned above I'd guess Hawkeye's family (if not this movie, the next), Heimdall, Nova Prime, and perhaps a few others.

The Fourth Avengers Film

I've seen a few theories about this leading to a new timeline/partial universe reset to make room for the Fox properties (the mutants in particular), but I think this is very unlikely (the idea would remove the sense of consequence from previous stories). The writers of the fourth film have been keeping an eye on fan theories and said that none were right (it's difficult to establish when this interview took place--the report says "on the set" of Infinity War, which wrapped shooting in July of 2017).

In the untitled fourth Avengers movie (quite possibly Infinity Gauntlet assuming Zoe Saldana's slip of the tongue a year ago can be taken literally), however, I think we'll see casualties among the lead heroes. Briefly: Hawkeye (always a peripheral character) is commonly assumed to be among the dead; Nebula, whose only remaining character arc is killing Thanos, seems like an obvious choice as well (Gamora is also an option in this respect, but I suspect James Gunn wants to hang on to most of the Guardians for the third and final film of that iteration).

In addition to those two characters I think there are a number of others who might go simply due to their actors aging out: War Machine (Don Cheadle will be pushing 55 when the film comes out), even if it seems a bit redundant after he recovers from the spine injury from Civil War; Hulk (Mark Ruffalo will be pushing 52-- I'm not sure what will be left to do with his version of the character); and Iron Man--a suitably epic ending in his ninth major film (he'd be 54 at release; if he dies I think Robert Downey Jr. will remain as a voice however--his consciousness downloaded--echoing something that happened in the comics). If Banner goes we might see either the Amadeus Cho version of the Hulk or perhaps She-Hulk (problems with Universal's involvement seem negligible so long as they don't get solo films); there's also a chance Shuri (or someone else) will pick up the mantel of Iron Man as Iron Heart (even though the comicbook version of that character is enormously unpopular, the MCU could do a much better job with her).

Originally I thought Captain America would die (Chris Evans is always talking about potentially leaving--see below), but there's no point in giving Bucky the new identity of White Wolf (Black Panther post-credit scene) if he isn't going to wear that for awhile and although Falcon could also take up the mantel I don't think we'll see that yet. Chris Evans will only be 38 once the film is out and is popular enough in the role that Disney will likely pay him whatever he wants to stay. A year ago I would have put Thor on the death list, but Chris Hemsworth had so much fun making Ragnarok, whose new direction fits the cosmic direction of the MCU, that I expect him to stick around.

The true crux of it all is we're unlikely to see many deaths at all--they are extremely rare in the comics (and almost never permanent) and as a massively successful franchise there's little impetus for the MCU to suddenly start killing off characters unless there are external reasons to do so.

Going back to Chris Evans for a moment: a New York Times article about him has been used as the source for innumerable articles and videos claiming he's done as Captain America. Here is the actual quote:
For now, he has no plans to return to the franchise (“You want to get off the train before they push you off,” he said), and expects that planned reshoots in the fall [2018] will mark the end of his tenure in the familiar red, white and blue super suit.
This is Reggie Ugwu (the reporter) providing statements about Evans' plans that suggest (and only suggest) finality. The predictable hoard of clickbait articles and videos echoing this have been so ridiculous that others have pointed out the obvious issue with that conclusion. This is also not dissimilar to the difficult contract negotiations with Robert Downey Jr. after Iron Man 3 (whose ending was made in such a way that if he didn't re-sign there would be a reason for him not to appear in Age of Ultron). This, for different reasons, is also worth keeping in mind in regards to Benedict Cumberbatch's comments that there are no plans for Doctor Strange 2--I believe in his case Cumberbatch wants to maintain the illusion that Strange could die in the Avengers films, because if he admits to a sequel fans will know he has the plot armour of a sequel.

Those are my thoughts. I'm sure I'll be hilariously wrong about some details, but it's a lot of fun to speculate.

This article is written by Peter Levi (@eyeonthesens)

Wednesday, March 7, 2018

Marvel TV News


With Jessica Jones season two almost here information is slowly dribbling out. We now know all the writers for the series so let's go through them (returning writers in green; unlike the director choices this is not an all-female group):
Aida Mashaka Croal - two episodes; she comes via Luke Cage (both her episodes on that show are in the weaker, second half of the season, 8 and 13, which includes some of the corniest Diamondback moments, although the episodes have their moments)
Melissa Rosenberg - the showrunner returns and has written just as much as she did in season one (a full episode and another with a cowriter)
Hilly Hicks - returns and wrote one and a half (she wrote two the first season)
Lisa Randolph - one and a half (comes over from Star Trek: Discovery)
Jack Kenny - one and a half (comes from Kevin (Probably) Saves the World)
Raelle Tucker - one and a half (comes from Supernatural Gender SWAP)
Jamie King - returns to write one episode (as she did for season one)
Gabe Fonseca - one (comes from Night Shift)
Jenny Klein - one (comes from Supernatural and has since gone on to Cloak & Dagger)
Jesse Harris - responsible for just the story element of one episode (outside of short films doesn't have a lot of credits); had no credits on the first season but was part of the writing room

I mentioned months ago that because of the lengthy gap between filming seasons (twenty months) most of the writers for season one are long gone. Whether this and the absence of most of the comic source material will impact the show remains to be seen (for those who haven't read the comics most of Jessica's arc prior to having a daughter with Luke Cage was used in season one; she has storylines afterward, but they all connect to that reality and its one the Netflix show can't embrace).


One of the strange things to me is that Wil Traval's Simpson character (Nuke) is in Jessica Jones season two, but were it not for his Twitter feed I'd have no idea as his presence is in none of the marketing material or any of the public comments by the showrunner or co-stars. I can only imagine it's part of a strategy to keep the plot of the series secret (although to what end I really don't know--the approach seems to be to sell the attitude rather than the story to new viewers).

There's also a lot of speculation in the press about whether or not Trish Walker will become Hellcat in the show. I'm not sure if we'll see that this season or not, but in general Netflix, now that they've been cut off from the MCU mothership (by Disney to protect their new streaming service--as in, no more sharing of IP outside the company), will want to maximize their assets. So like the Punisher and Elektra (one successful, one not) they'll be looking to create an appetite for new shows (ergo, new heroes).

The early, formal reviews, have been uninformative. The ubiquitous (and meaningless) "too slow" has come up--something fans can ignore after it was used for the frenetic Defenders. There seems to be a critical consensus whereby family-friendly fair like the CW shows and Agents of SHIELD get a free pass, while more adult-oriented material (like The Punisher) hover in the low to mid-70s (with a shared general sentiment that, like Star Wars, these shows should be aimed at 12-year olds), all of which makes the collective opinion on the shows more or less useless as a guide. I did wonder if things like the #MeToo movement might move the needle for the show (the first season fits in with it perfectly) and the initial critical number has started to creep up so I think it will.


The release date for Luke Cage season two was announced (June 22nd). This fits the range that I predicted months ago and leaves plenty of room for the other two series' to come out this year. I wouldn't be surprised if we get Iron Fist or Daredevil in September (leaning towards the former to come out first given that they wrap filming at the same time and Iron Fist would be getting a bump from Danny Rand appearing in Luke Cage), with the other show in December--Netflix might be aiming for a three-month rotation for its Marvel properties (which seems reasonable)--in which case The Punisher would be next up in March, 2019.


Deadline reports that three series regulars have been cast for Punisher season two: Josh Stewart (as John Pilgrim), Floriana Lima (Krista Dumont), and Giorgia Whigham (Amy Bendix). After this news dropped That Hashtag Show had yet more casting information while realizing their earlier theory about the storyline was wrong, now believing that instead of Garth Ennis' "Slavers" the show is adapting "Suicide Run"--the latter was a Punisher crossover storyline (Punisher #85-#87, Punisher War Journal #61-#63, and Punisher War Zone #23-#25) running from December, 1993-March, 1994 (written by Steven Grant, Chuck Dixon, and Larry Hama). In that story Frank is thought to be dead and various imitators try to take over the Punisher reins while he's stuck in a small town recuperating. The casting call reads:
[Sheriff Bonnen] an authoritative male in his early 40s.
[Deputy Willis] a female, 33-37, who is a good cop but looks out for #1 above all else.
[Deputy Creamer] a 25-28 year old male who is described as optimistic and professional.
[Bob] a male in his early 50s who works at the desk at the sheriff office.
The switch in prospective stories means the THS guys believe John Pilgrim is a stand-in for Jimmy Pierce (whose name they believe was changed because it was used for a character who fought Colleen Wing in Iron Fist). This would mean another character THS is aware of (a female character dubbed "Drea") could be a version of Lynn Michaels, both of whom try to take over the role of the Punisher. My only issue with the latter theory is that the first letters used in the names for casting calls tend to match the actual character and that's not the case here. If they use this storyline there's plenty of room for appearances from characters like Daredevil if they choose to go that route.


Vulture was interviewing Krysten Ritter and asked her about The Defenders and she had a very interesting response:
I had a great time doing The Defenders and honestly, it was such a good experience that I would even do it again. I don’t think we are doing it again. It was never intentioned to do it again, but, you know, if I was given another opportunity, I would. ... My heart is in Jessica Jones, but I did have a great time doing The Defenders with the guys. We had a good time.
There are some clickbaity articles coming out as a result of this, but parsing it down what's clear is:
1) she was only signed to do one Defenders series
2) she isn't aware of plans to do another (while she might be under NDA, I think if that was the case she'd simply say she can't talk about it)
In essence the only thing we really know is that Netflix hasn't approved another team-up series, but it's clearly just a matter of time. Superhero team-ups do very well (on the CW, in the MCU), and crossovers (like Luke Cage in Jessica Jones or Danny Rand in the upcoming Luke Cage) suggest Netflix understands this lesson. A Defenders vs Kingpin would be excellent--it could include Frank Castle as well--and virtually writes itself. For those thinking these comments mean an end to Netflix team-ups there's no reason to worry.


After Deadpool 2 moved it's release date from June 1st to May 18th back in January, I wondered if Marvel would tweak the Avengers date (either to help support its fellow Disney property and/or to regain some breathing room against Deadpool). On March 1st the change happened, as the date moved a week forward from May 4th to April 25th, giving the film about four weeks without serious competition (Screen Rant has a good piece going through the permutations of the change). The most commonly given theory is that it's to avoid oversea spoilers in North America, which I'll buy if (after seeing the movie) there really are huge spoilers--until then, I think space for both Deadpool and Solo seems responsible.

Speaking of the broader MCU, I was curious to see if the acquisition of Fox (or, at least, the return of the characters to Marvel) would bump how many films the studio would put out per year. The new dates put on the calendar for 2021-22 don't indicate any change (three per year), albeit there's plenty of room to add more titles. Beyond the confirmed Phase Four second Spider-Man film (July 5, 2019) we have:
2020 (May, August, November)
2021 (May, July, November)
2022 (February, May, July)
[It's important to note that, although we're getting a Spider-Man 3, Sony picks the date, not Marvel, so it's not included in this assortment]

A few of these dates seem pretty clear: we know via James Gunn that the Guardians sequel is in 2020 and it is almost certainly in May (matching the release of the second movie); February, 2022 is Black Panther (why not use the same timeframe as the first?); more speculatively a second Doctor Strange is likely the November, 2020 release, while another Captain Marvel film probably fits into May, 2021. If Ant-Man is slatted for a trilogy then that could be the August, 2020 slot (although I don't think the studio feels beholden to solo trilogies for all its characters). Its likely that James Gunn will get a spinoff series of sorts (Adam Warlock perhaps, or The Nova Corps--although both could simply be folded into a new version of the Guardians), but there's no obvious spot for a third Doctor Strange (the Black Panther date also seems awfully far away). We can reasonably expect another Thor movie given that everyone involved is interested; a Black Widow movie seems to be in the works as well; it's hard to imagine Marvel giving up on Captain America; and we've had Avengers movies at three-year intervals. All this speculation looks like this:
2020
May - Guardians 3 (previous film May/17)
August - Black Widow (new) or Ant-Man 3 (prev July/18)
November - Doctor Strange 2 (prev Nov/16)
2021
May - Captain Marvel 2 (prev Mar/19)
July - Captain America 4 (prev May/16)
November - Thor 4 (prev Nov/17)
2022
February - Black Panther 2 (prev Feb/18)
May - Avengers 5 (prev May/19)
July - Adam Warlock/Nova Corps (new) or Guardians 4 (prev May/20)

The August, 2020 date is pretty speculative, but two-year turnarounds for sequels have happened before (Captain America 2 and 3). Granted, all of this could be wrong and it doesn't include the various other legacy characters (like Iron Man) getting their own movies.


I don't have the Fox properties shown above because we don't know the timeframe for the sale and the above announcements sound a lot like what Marvel was planning before that purchase. The earliest we're likely to see the Fox characters would be 2020, but there's plenty of room for films to be added. Fantastic Four doesn't require a prominent release date, although any new X-Men films are likely to drop in a key slot (so, hypothetically, the May, 2022 spot). People like Charlie Schneider speculating about 7-10 years before integrating the X-Men is bizarre (as I've addressed before). Marvel would have known Disney was attempting to purchase the properties years in advance and spec scripts might have been written even earlier for "what-if" scenarios like what's happened with Sony. There's no question Kevin Feige knows what he wants to do with the characters and the only real adjustment will be fitting them into the current state of the MCU (and then attaching directors and actors).


Almost a year ago I briefly looked at the state of the DCEU, largely in terms of what's been announced and what's changed because I was finding it hard to keep track of. Since then things have only become more chaotic. Despite a solid return for Wonder Woman, Justice League bombed (a bad omen for Aquaman). I've mentioned before that I'd like DC to get its house in order and start putting out consistently good films, but we aren't there yet (I'd love to see a version of The Teen Titans that I grew up with in the 1980s, but there's no sign of that). Here are the changes, as best as I can determine, since my last post:

Upcoming (films with dates attached)
Aquaman (December 21, 2018) - initially slated for an October release; production has wrapped
Shazam! (April 5, 2019) - announced back in 2014, it was split into two movies (it and Black Adam) and given this release date in 2017; filming began at the end of January
Wonder Woman 2 (November 1, 2019) - announced after the reception of the original film, this will be yet another flashback movie (understandably they want to steer clear of the modern day mess that is the DCEU, although I still think it's a poor decision) and it will be interesting to see how it's received post-Captain Marvel--while I enjoyed the first WW, the plot was largely a mishmash of the first Captain America and Thor (with Uncle Ben's death thrown in) and I don't think they can get away with that a second time
Cyborg (April 3, 2020) - still has no director or script, meaning my suspicion that it's not going to happen remains unchanged
Green Lantern Corps (July 24, 2020) - moved about a month up from its original date awhile ago and although it has had screenwriters since 2017 there is still no director attached

Development (listed in announcement order)
Flashpoint - it's March 23, 2018, release date was abandoned some time ago; many directors have walked away the film, whose script was finished in September, 2017; in March new directors were confirmed who will get to re-write the script, so it's hard to know when it will come out; the general assumption is that the film will be used to reboot the DCEU out of dark mold of Zack Snyder's and Christopher Nolan's vision
Justice League Dark - originally an idea from Guillermo del Toro way back in 2013; since his departure in 2015 the studio hasn't had an acceptable script and there hasn't been a director attached in almost a year, putting this way back in the potential production schedule (the lukewarm reaction to Snyder's darker DCEU likely hasn't helped)
The Batman - in production on some level since Ben Affleck was picked to play Batman in 2014, the 2018 release became 2019 to where it stands now (unknown); much of this delay can be attributed to Affleck stepping away from the director/writer role (his script abandoned by January of 2017 at the latest); new director Matt Reeves suggested a 2018 production date last summer, but with no word since that seems unlikely
Justice League Part 2 - while Zack Snyder is no longer involved with the sequel, WB hasn't officially scrapped it, although it lacks writers, a director, or anything else of substance since Snyder's vision was scrapped; while I'm sure there will be another JL film at some point it's going to be an entirely different animal
Lobo - announced in March, 2016 (it's not clear how much of the plans--if any--date back to the 2009 project); it has a screenwriter attached, but as yet no director or finished script
Suicide Squad 2 - work on a sequel began in March, 2016 (prior to the release of the original) and the film has a writer/director locked in (September, 2017) with signs that production will occur in October of this year (making it a candidate to take either Cyborg or Green Lantern's release date)
Man of Steel 2 - put in "active production" August, 2016, but with no script or director attached it's difficult to imagine it coming to fruition any time soon
Birds of Prey - a report in November, 2016, along with comments from Margot Robbie are the only sources of news on this; beyond a script writer there's been nothing firm from WB about it
Gotham City Sirens - announced in December, 2016, with both a director and screenwriter attached, but no news has come out since and with Margot Robbie presumably preparing to film the Suicide Squad sequel it's difficult to parse when (or if) this will be appearing
Deadshot - inexplicably announced in December, 2016, in what I saw as a sop to Will Smith's ego; with no director or screenwriter attached this seems unlikely to ever occur
Black Adam - announced in January, 2017, as the character was split off from the Shazam film; it has no finished script or director, so won't be a reality any time soon (the longer this stretches on for Dwayne Johnson the more it seems like Channing Tatum's Gambit movie)
Nightwing - announced in February, 2017; with both a director and script attached this is one of the projects that was theoretically closer to production, but the director is doing another movie at the moment so it's not happening any time soon (it makes little sense in a connected universe to have the Nightwing movie happen before a Batman film--this is one of the problems with suggestions for a Ms. Marvel film or show--you need Carol Danvers before you can have Kamala Khan)
Batgirl - announced in March, 2017, but attached writer/director Joss Whedon walked away this February, meaning that however much of a rush the studio may be to push this out it has to start from scratch
Harley Quinn/Joker film - announced in August, 2017; it has writer/directors attached so is ahead of other films listed here
Deathstroke - reported on October, 2017, with Gareth Evans rumoured to write and direct, but nothing has officially been announced
Harley Quinn - I'm not sure how real this is, as the Margot Robbie statement it's based on (from November) doesn't require a solo film--in could, in fact, be referencing Birds of Prey--WB has said nothing official about it as yet

What can we expect? Aquaman is in the can and both Shazam! and Wonder Woman 2 can be expected to come out as is (there may be tweaks to release dates, but nothing more). This December WB seemed to confirm Suicide Squad 2, The Batman, Flashpoint, Green Lantern Corps, Justice League Dark, and Batgirl, but this list was updated just a month later with Man of Steal 2 and Nightwing added, but minus Batgirl, Justice League Dark, and Green Lantern. What to conclude from all this chaos? To me what's most likely are films with directors and scripts in place--it doesn't guarantee a film will happen, but it's more likely than when they are not. That said, SS2 seems to be actively moving forward, but none of the other films listed here seem that close to production. The other projects that have both directors and writers are: Gotham City Sirens, Nightwing, Harley Quinn/Joker, and (if the rumours are true) Deathstroke.


While we're discussing other studios it's worth mentioning that Sony's Silver & Black (announced in 2017 with a planned 2018 production date) has been shelved "indefinitely" due to script issues. With this change, other than the already produced Venom, there's nothing in production (although both Nightwatch and Morbius were announced in 2017, the latter has writers, but neither have dates attached). Reading the tea leaves it's clear Sony wants to see how a non-MCU Venom fares before sinking a bunch of money into spinoff properties. While there's a lot of depth to the characters attached to Spider-Man, most are best suited as secondary characters or having homes on TV (Netflix could do wonders with some of them, although I don't think they could survive if detached from their Marvel context). The odds are very good that Venom will fail and Sony will then sell the properties to Disney, ending the bizarre bifurcated of Marvel we've lived with for decades on screen.


No reason not to quickly check in with Fox as well. We know Deadpool 2 is coming out in May and the unwanted X-Men: Dark Phoenix appears in November. New Mutants, which was a completed film and originally due out this April, is now having extensive re-shoots and is set to premiere next February (this date, conveniently, is late enough that if Disney's purchase is approved Marvel could kill the movie--something I see as likely if they're given the chance). Beyond these three:
Gambit - Channing Tatum has been attached since 2014, but three directors have walked with the latest (Gore Verbinski) causing Fox to skip a March, 2018 production date and remove the film from a June, 2019 release to TBD. Because of the delays I don't think this film is ever going to come out, as the property will be back at Marvel (who are unlikely to want the aging Tatum in the role)
X-Force - production is slated to begin in October with former Daredevil showrunner Drew Goddard writing/directing--despite changing scripts and directors through its genesis this seems likely to happen given the success of Deadpool and with Ryan Reynolds backing it
Deadpool 3 - likely to occur even after Disney's acquisition; it will simply be re-branded in some fashion

A number of other films have been announced and X-23 has a script, Multiple Man a star (James Franco) and screenwriter, and Kitty Pryde a director and scriptwriter. However, none of these projects (or others that have been announced) will be far enough along for Marvel to not have a say in them. From what's been said it seems likely that Feige will allow Ryan Reynolds and his Deadpool mini-verse to continue while rebooting all other aspects of the Fox properties.

[Just a quick correction for previous pieces: I've inexplicably been writing "the" Hashtag Show rather than THAT Hashtag Show--an error I only noticed recently.]

This article is written by Peter Levi (@eyeonthesens)