I've mentioned previously that I try to avoid Sony's marketing for the Spider-Man films because they are too spoilery. However, I checked out the latest trailer due to its Endgame connection. I was not expecting Mysterio to be from another reality, but if that's true it makes me wonder if a new Disney-Sony deal will have the Sonyverse as an alternative Earth--such that, while Venom et al aren't part of the MCU in the traditional way, it means that Spider-Man can go back and forth in the multiverse. Alternatively, if there is no deal, he can simply remain in the alternative Earth. It reminds me of how Iron Man 3 ended in such a way that if Robert Downey Jr. didn't resign with Marvel his story would have reached a conclusion. I don't think this arrangement is necessarily likely, just that it opens the door for it.
This could allow the new
X-Men films to exist in a different reality as well--I dislike the idea, but it could preserve things like
Magneto's origin in World War II or whatever element of
Wolverine's increasingly ridiculous origin they want to use (I'm hoping for his early. simpler origin). It's also possibly we get a Witcher-style Convergence, where an alternative reality including mutants gets combined with the main MCU (very unlikely, but I thought I'd throw the idea out there).
Going back to
Far From Home, there's a theory floating around (
eg) that
Michelle is
Nick Fury's daughter. The evidence is based on the
Homecoming end credits where she's depicted with an eye patch--take that for what it's worth. Do I think this is true? It's possible--the character was controversial (some fans didn't like the MCU trying to reinvent
Mary Jane Watson as
Michelle--I went over my
theory that the push for a new MJ came from Amy Pascal, but that's just my speculation). What attaching her to
Fury does is connect her to a popular character, possibly making her more palatable for those who are unhappy--if that's the intent I don't think it actually helps, since the objection is primarily how hamfisted it's being handled (even
fans of the character don't find her worth mentioning when discussing the latest trailer). I never understood the point of having her be MJ but also
Michelle. Regardless, good writing is the way to ameliorate the situation.
One thing I've been wondering about, since Sony wants its
Sinister Six movie, is how Michael Keaton's
Vulture will fit into that (given the events of
Homecoming). He owes
Peter Parker a debt, such that something has to change for him to become a villain again (assuming he's not simply blackmailed into joining). I wonder if
Liz Toomes (er,
Allen), his daughter, will get
Gwen Stacey'd and die with
Spider-Man blamed for it. This idea, if it has any merit at all, will have to wait for a third film, as it's been
confirmed that neither
Vulture nor his daughter will be in
Far From Home.
THR is reporting that
Guardians of the Galaxy 3 is expected to
film in 2020, earlier than previous speculation and meaning it will appear no later than 2022 (it debunks Karthik Prasad's
claim last fall of a 2021 production date, although in fairness to him this was presumably before James Gunn was re-hired).
The now famous Roger Wardell has made some
claims about the upcoming film on his second account:
1) Rocket's creator is the High Evolutionary
2) Drax's daughter is alive
3) Rocket gains a love interest in Lylla
4) Nebula and Star Lord become friends
The last element makes a lot of sense--there aren't any other relationships for
Peter Quill to explore among the Guardians; the first and third seem highly plausible; Kamaria (presumably
Moondragon) would be a good development for
Drax, who has no motivation left now that his revenge has been satisfied by the death of
Thanos.
Charles Murphy confirms the idea of the
High Evolutionary being present, saying he heard about it two years ago (presumably via the massive leak that went to his buddy Charles Villanueva, see below--he
says his information is from an early draft of the film).
Variety reports that Richard Madden is in negotiations to play
Ikaris in the film. In addition,
Jim Starlin dropped that
Kronos is supposed to be in
The Eternals (which reminds me of a debunked Conrad theory I forgot in my
Endgame reaction post, as he claimed back in
July that
Kronos would appear in
Endgame).
Wardell also has
claims about the
Doctor Strange sequel:
1) It will include time travel to the 1980s (I'm assuming that's what he means by "1980's Boogaloo" and the point below)
2) Tilda Swinton is in negotiations to return as the Ancient One
3) Jericho Drumm (Doctor Voodoo) and an Asian-Clea will appear
If Mordo's threat of consequences for using the Time Stone from Doctor Strange are true, a trip to the past makes sense; I'd welcome a return of the Ancient One (Swinton is fantastic); Clea is the usual love interest for Strange and it makes sense to have her there--the race-swap to Asian could be intended to mollify those upset by Swinton's casting in the first Doctor Strange.
We have a bunch of
MCU dates officially announced, so let's quickly go through them with my guesses as to what films they represent:
- May, 2020 - This is Black Widow given that production has either started or is about to start
- November, 2020 - The Eternals, because it's the only other MCU film currently casting
- February, 2021 - This is probably Shang-Chi, although Ryan Coogler has had as much time to work on Black Panther 2, so it could be here as well (the arguments for the former is that it would hit during the Chinese New Year, but it's also Black History month, so take your pick)
- May, 2021 - Either Black Panther 2 or Shang-Chi
- November, 2021 - Doctor Strange 2 (it could be the May date as well, but I'm guessing it will echo the slot it had in 2016)
- February, 2022 - unknown (possibly Captain Marvel 2, although it might be something brand new)
- May, 2022 - Guardians of the Galaxy 3 (we know it's a 2020 production date, which could actually see it out earlier, but I think it will be a summer release and I don't think can make the 2021 date)
- July, 2022 - unknown (possibly Thor 4 or something new)
I last went through the hypothetical Marvel slate back in
January, which hasn't really changed here, but there are a number of interesting things to note in regards to it:
- Spider-Man films won't appear in this sequence because they are Sony's dates; if the deal is renewed expect it to be in 2021 (as Sony wants the films every two years)
- No third 2020 film has been added - I and many others had been speculating that the MCU would not want to simply lose an expected release date next year, with most speculating that the fast-tracked Shang-Chi would be that third film, but there's no sign of that date here (that could still change, however)
- We don't expect a Deadpool or X-Force film to show up on this slate as part of the MCU, but it was puzzling that Disney gave New Mutants a new date--I'll expand on that below
Myself and others had been expecting Marvel to expand to four films a year--with Fox's added production capabilities it's logistically possible (and if Marvel continues making
Spider-Man films, we'll get that in 2021 regardless), but there isn't a clear sign of it now and I wonder if that's because Disney wants to leave space for it's other blockbuster properties (
Star Wars, the inherited
Avatar, etc). I'll be interested to see if this arrangement (three films a year, which began in 2017) will remain static.
I'm rethinking what the MCU is going to do with the X-Men. For a long time I (and a few others) thought
Dark Phoenix and
New Mutants (or at least the latter) would be
cancelled to protect the IP. This opposed the conventional wisdom which was: the Fox films cost a lot of money, so to recoup as much of that as possible the completed films will be released. That, certainly, is the case of
Dark Phoenix, which comes out shortly, but what about
New Mutants? A film described repeatedly as a mess and one Fox thought needed reshoots back in January, 2018, which have never occurred. Will Disney simply fund those predetermined changes and roll out the film as-is (this is it's fourth release date, incidentally)? It may very well be that simple--
New Mutants isn't being added to the MCU slate, so it doesn't seem like Feige will change the film to suit him, but it's very odd for such a late, dead-on-arrival Marvel-related release. Could it be hitched to the
Deadpool franchise? That seems unlikely given the very different tones of those films. It's difficult to parse their intention (is that world going to be another alternative reality?).
Going back to the MCU X-Men, we've heard it could be five years before we see the X-Men on film (even if X-characters could appear sooner). I thought this might simply be a bluff on Feige's part to avoid distractions before
Endgame, but if not then it's certainly long enough for people to have purged their memories of the wildly uneven second stage of the Fox X-films (meaning some of the characters I was
excising from the MCU due to their use by Fox might remain in play).
THR
reports that Hulu is getting
Ghostrider and
Helstrom shows. I'm unfamiliar with the latter, but it's the Robbie Reyes'
Ghostrider from
Agents of SHIELD, with Gabriel Luna reprising the role. The
Ghostrider move is no surprise, as Kevin Feige has dumped every minor IP previously on film to Marvel Entertainment--ie, outside the MCU. I frankly have no interest in either show--I like my MCU interconnected, not marooned on Jeph Loeb island.
We've learned that virtually all of
Endgame leaked May, 2018, via a phone call to Charles Villanueva of
MCU Exchange--he in turn informed
a small group of people (including the oft-referenced Charles Murphy and presumably Roger Wardell among others). Whoever the source was is very connected, as other MCU scoops were dropped at that time. Whether Villanueva retains that connection I have no idea, but I do respect the fact that he didn't simply dump all the info and spoil the film.
It turns out the Umberto Gonzalez
scoop back in October (claimed by Conrad
as his own) about Katherine Langford appearing in
Endgame has some basis after all. The
Russo's divulged there's a cut scene where Langford appeared as an older
Morgan Stark and forgives her father for not being there for her because of his sacrifice (this mirrors the
Thanos and
Gamora scene from
Infinity War). The scene didn't test well--it was too confusing--so it was cut (undoubtedly it's from these test screenings that the scoop is derived). The screenings are also undoubtedly the source of the rumour Conrad
reported that her role was as
Tony's adult daughter (although Conrad's interpretation, that she'd have to be sacrificed, remains erroneous).
I was thinking about where
Endgame leaves the Phase One characters--mostly thinking about how it will reflect forward to the new era (Kevin Feige doesn't want to call it Phase Four, but it's going to be hard to break that terminology).
Iron Man - Dead; leaves behind
Pepper (who, according to Paltrow, is basically
retired out of the MCU), and his very young (4) daughter
Morgan (it's difficult to parse how Langford's older version could be used without time travel)
War Machine - Alive and with
rumours of a Disney+ show; as a very undeveloped character I'm not sure what they'll do with him, especially given Don Cheadle's age (55)--perhaps he passes the torch? Could he be the avenue to
Ironheart?
Hulk - Crippled (making space for the
Amadeus Cho Hulk, if they want to go that way); now that he's Professor Hulk they can keep Mark Ruffalo and the character around for as long as they want (the CGI means Ruffalo's age is largely mitigated)--I would expect him, however, to revert to a background role
Black Widow - Dead, but with a forthcoming prequel film--I have no interest in that unless there's a definitive link to the present (I've seen other people wonder if it's an alternate reality version of the character, but I don't think the MCU will want to void the stakes of her sacrifice in Endgame)
Thor - Gave up his his royal position (to
Valkyrie), which brings his character full circle into being a more humble version of the character he was in the first
Thor; tied in with the
Guardians of the Galaxy and it's clear there are more films to come for him
Hawkeye - We know his
Disney+ show will have him train his replacement in
Kate Bishop, which will sunset the character outside of cameos
Captain America - Retired (his role taken over by Falcon), but not dead; if Chris Evans didn't want to come back he surely would have died in Endgame, so I suspect he'll serve as an adviser/friend in the future
All of these changes leave room for a completely new set of Avengers. It seems like the new team will consist of
Captain Marvel,
Doctor Strange,
Black Panther,
Spider-Man (if the deal is renewed), and possibly
Ant-Man and the
Wasp (I remain unsure what Marvel wants to do with the latter pair given that the solo films have not done well in MCU-terms).
Amy Pascal is leaving Sony for Universal. No one seems to know whether this impacts a renewal of the deal with Marvel or not, but what it
does mean is that the projects Pascal were spearheading (like
Silk and separate
Silver Sable and
Black Cat films) are likely dead, because unlike the MCU, Sony's properties were divided into
three advocates (with Palak Patel's getting the most attention thus far; Avi Arad is the other). Will the move help Marvel's situation with Universal? That remains to be seen, as Comcast (which owns Universal) is not fond of Disney (thus their competing bids for Fox).
I mentioned back in
December that one of the reasons Jeremy Conrad faces a lot of criticism is because of how he behaves on social media. I'd heard, although I'd never researched it, that he proactively blocks people who criticize him. Apparently this is true, as he has me blocked despite not interacting with him (he probably found the site through my talking to Kinda Culty on Twitter)--it's a funny thing, because I don't really check his feed (most of which is devoted to fighting with people who dislike
The Last Jedi). I don't know if his much more popular buddy Danile Richtman does the same thing, but unlike Conrad (who I considered very reliable initially), I looked into Richtman first and knew he was very hit and miss (much like Umberto Gonzalez).
This article is written by Peter Levi (@eyeonthesens)